Графитни шафтове vs. метални такива

[Jerry]

 Отварям темата защото ми е интересно да чуя и други мнения по въпроса. Аз лично съм доста раздвоен по въпроса като към момента съм повече фен на металните.
Значи, аз първо започнах с метални (просто първият ми сет беше с такива) след около година смених сет-а с такъв с графитни шафтове и бях доволен от промяната но ми се случи веднъж да играя отново с метални (за една ваканция на Равно поле си наех сет, който беше с метални шафтове) и през цялата игра пращах топките средно с по 10-тина метра повече - и редовно прехвърлях грийновете..
Сега с поредния ми сет отново минах на матални шафтове, чувството за комфорт не е като при предишния сет с графитните, обаче съм много по-доволен от контрол-а на топката, който ти дават тези (де да го имах този контрол и с уудовете).. Преди около месец ходихме с един колега от Англия на драйвинг рейнджа и аз му дадох да пробва мойте (той е с графитни) - беше толкова зле, че се отказа след няколко топки - каза, че му седят страшно твърдо и не-еластично..
 Като гледам и профитата и те са се разцепили на "графити" и "металисти" ...          

[rookie]

Да ти кажа има разлика в чувството... Имам 5I  и SW с метални и графитни. Металните естествено "поемат" по-твърдо топката и мятат повече. Но да ти кажа от известно време с графитните айръни се чувствам комфортно. Графитните се огъват повече и може би контролът е по-труден, но за по-мек и неагресивен стил на игра с по-бавен суинг са по-добри. За уудовете и драйвъра да ти кажа мисля, че дори и да са графитни шафтовете, трябва да са с Х или ХХ. Специално от моя за драйвъра не съм доволен, защото много се огъва.

[Taylor]

Eto kakvo kazvat specialistite:

Q. How Do Steel and Graphite Shafts Compare, and How Do I Choose One or the Other?
From Tom Wishon
A. The number one difference between graphite and steel shafts is their weight. While steel shafts today can be made to weigh as little as 90 grams (3.2 oz.), and some graphite shafts as heavy as 120 grams (4.2 oz.), the big reason graphite shafts became popular is their ability to offer stiffness and durability suited to the most powerful swings while being very light in weight.
Remember, the shaft's weight is the number one factor that controls the total weight of the entire golf club. Lighter total weight equals the potential to increase the golfer's swing speed, which equals the potential to increase the distance of the shot.
The average steel shaft today weighs between 115g to 125g (4.0 to 4.4 oz.). Put that together with a typical 195-gram (6.9-oz.) driver head and a normal 50-gram (1.75-oz.) grip and you have a total weight for the driver of some 365 grams (12.9 oz.).
Most graphite shafts for drivers today are made to a weight of around 65-70 grams.
Assemble that with the driver head and the grip and the total weight of a typical graphite shaft driver will be about 11 oz. That 1.9-oz.-lighter total weight (compared to the typical steel-shafted driver) can mean as much as 2-4 mph more swing speed for the golfer, which in turn translates to about 6-12 yards more distance.
Makes it sound like all golfers should be using graphite shafts in all their clubs, right? On the surface that is true. However, some golfers who are very strong physically, and/or who are quick to very quick with their swing tempo, need to have a little heavier total weight to help them gain a little more control over their swing.
In addition, steel and graphite shafts are totally different in the manner in which they transfer the vibrations from impact up to the hands, which in turn affects the feel of the shot. Simply stated, some golfers prefer the more crisp, sharper feel of hitting the ball with steel shafts, while some prefer the softer, more dampened feel of graphite.
If gaining more distance is a primary goal for the golfer, they should definitely be fit with the proper graphite shaft design in their woods and irons to match their swing. On the other hand, if distance is not the main focus for the golfer because they already have a high swing speed, if they like the feel of steel and their swing tempo matches a little better to the higher total weight steel shafts bring to the clubs, then steel is the better option.

[Taylor]

A eto o6te ne6to otnosno "flex"-a:

Q. What Makes Finding the Right Shaft Flex for My Swing So Important?
From Tom Wishon
A. If a golfer is using a shaft that is too stiff for his swing mechanics and swing speed, any or all of the following may result:
1. The ball flies lower for any given loft, and possibly shorter in distance, because the golfer's best launch angle for maximum distance cannot be achieved.
2. The ball may tend to "leak" to the fade side of the target because the golfer cannot cause the desired forward bending of the shaft at impact, which helps bring the face back around to a less open position at impact.
3. The shot will probably feel less solid and harsh, even when impact occurs in the center of the face, because of the different impact vibrations transmitted up the shaft to the golfer's hands.
If a golfer is using a shaft that is too flexible, here are the likely results:
1. The ball will possibly fly higher for any given loft.
If the golfer is using the proper loft for his swing mechanics, this could cause a slight decrease from his maximum potential distance. On the other hand, if the golfer is using too little loft, which is the case with a very high percentage of players today with the driver and 3-wood, the more flexible shaft could bring his launch angle up to a more optimum trajectory, which could actually result in an increase in their distance.
2. The ball may tend to draw a bit more from the forward bending of the shaft at impact causing the face to rotate past square to be slightly closed. However, if the golfer happens to slice or fade the ball, this actually could help reduce such a mis-direction tendency.
3. The shot will feel more solid because impact vibrations transmitted up to the hands along a shaft which is both more flexible and more bent will feel more solid.
Thus each golfer must take a look at his or her natural swing tendencies before selecting the shaft flex best for their overall game. But at the end of the day, the majority of golfers with swing speeds of 100 mph and lower are going to do far more harm for their game by choosing a shaft that is a little too stiff rather than a shaft that ends up being a little too flexible. In short, when in doubt, always err on the side of more flexibility in the shaft.

[Taylor]

Az li4no polzvam metalni stiff 6aftove I sam dovolen. Prosto parvia set koito si kupih be6e vtora raka I niamah izbor, a i ni6to ne razbirah ot tia raboti. Taka sviknah s tiah I sled tova kato si pora4vah novi, gi izbrah sas sa6tite 6aftove. Probval sam I grafitni na driving range i na simulator – davit mi po-goliama distancia, no po-trudno gi kontroliram. Moeto skromno mnenie e, 4e za amatiori kato nas e koi s kakvoto svikne.

[rookie]

Според мен за дамите и за хората с проблеми в ставите и ръцете графитните са задължителни... За късата игра около грийна шафтовете нямат кой-знае какво значение - там повече влияе качеството на самия клъб. Но мисля, че всеки трябва да опита различни видове, докато уцели кои са най-подходящи за него. Това, че си направил няколко лоши удара със стикове, за които "нямаш настройка" според мен не бива да е критерий... Мисля, че човек трябва да "модифицира" играта си постоянно и да опитва, и да променя - естествено към по-добро. Да не ставаме като учителите по литература / не искам да ги обидя хората .../ дето преподават в училище 30г. едно и също, че Ботев е велик поет...
Да допълня и за графитните Accuflex  - какво показват производителите според скоростта на суинга...

AMATEUR     REGULAR     STIFF      X-STIFF
70-80           81-95         96-105    106+

А тук направо на сайта на PENLEY се вижда всичко...

http://www.xtremedistance.com/penley-golf-shafts.htm

[Jerry]

 Значи, за драйверите и за "дървените" е повече от ясно че ще са с графитни - друг е въпроса колко еластични...
 Някой има ли обаче идея как се мери скоростта суинга - поне грубо за да види човек в коя група е?

[rookie]

Имам една графика за дред скоростта на суинга, ама ължината на удара с драйвъра според скоростта на суинга, ама не знам как да я сложа...

[Taylor]

Отиваш на симулатор. Удряш няколко топки и ти показва не само скорост на суинга, но и пътя на клъба, отворен или затворен е при удара и куп други подробности.

[rookie]

Driver Swing Speed               Distance on # 5 iron               Shaft Flex
Less Than 60 MPH               Less Than 125 Yards                  Ladies light
60- 70 MPH               125 to 140 Yards               Ladies
70-80 MPH               140 to 155 Yards               Seniors
80-90 MPH               155 to 170 Yards               Regular
90-100 MPH               170 to 185 Yards               Stiff
Over 100 MPH               Over 185 Yards               Extra Stiff

[rookie]

Clib speed / MPH /   90         100          110          120           125
Distance / yards /    225        255          285          310           320

Това е усреднено за Ti Driver ....

[Taylor]

Distance Myths
From Bryan Gathright, Top 100 Teacher
A Few Things to Know Before Buying 'Distance Equipment'
Bryan Gathright is a perennial member of Golf Magazine's Top 100 Teachers in America rankings. His students include PGA Tour pro Notah Begay III and LPGA pro Dorothy Delasin. Gathright teaches out of Oak Hills Country Club in San Antonio, Tex.
Whether you are a top PGA Tour Professional or a high handicap amateur seeking to improve your enjoyment of the game, everyone is looking for a few more yards in today's technology-driven golf world.
Every equipment manufacturer boasts "newly improved," "longer," "higher launch angle/less spin," etc. What does all the technology jargon really mean, and more importantly, how can it help you shoot lower scores?
As an amateur, it is especially important for you to understand a few of the "distance misconceptions" that I often see.

1. Less loft equals greater distance ... False
For you to benefit from a low-lofted driver (less than 10 degrees), you must have a very high clubhead speed to achieve the necessary launch angle or trajectory to maximize distance.
2. Longest ball equals greater distance ... False
Again, maximum distance is a function of many variables including the spin rate of the golf ball. To maximize distance, the clubhead speed at impact must complement the spin rate of the golf ball, which provides the necessary lift on the golf ball to maintain its flight.
3. Longer shaft provides greater distance ... False
Although in theory, a longer club will provide greater clubhead speed, which increases distance, I continually see the top PGA Tour Professionals playing shorter drivers than the majority of the amateurs.
A longer-shafted driver offers an opportunity for distance. However, hitting the ball in the center of the clubface or sweetspot is greatly influenced by the length of the shaft. The longer the shaft the more difficult it becomes to hit your shots solid and consistent.
As golf continues to evolve into a game of power and distance, remember that for you to maximize your game you must find the equipment which best suits your swing speed. This may require experimenting with several different combinations of golf balls as well as loft and length of drivers.

[Jerry]

 Много добър коментар...
Казано с други думи - по-добре 5-пъти по 170 метра но на феъруей-а отколкото 3-пъти по 250м и 2-пъти някъде по дерета и трънки      

[rookie]

Има ли ограничение на дължината на драйвърите в PGA? До колкото знам не ползват по-дълги от 46-48 инча... Инъче за лонгдрайвърите съм виждал до 69

[Taylor]

Q. Is There an Industry-Wide Standard Length for Golf Clubs?
From Tom Wishon
A. There are no industry-wide standards for any golf club specification in the golf equipment industry. Each clubmaking company is free to make clubs to whatever "standard specifications" they deem appropriate. This is because there is no entity within the golf equipment industry that has ever been empowered or given the authority from the clubmaking companies to establish any type of standard specifications for golf clubs. However, most of the club companies today do pretty much subscribe to length specifications for their clubs which are relatively close to each other. Most drivers for men made by companies who sell their clubs through pro shops and retail golf stores are usually 45 inches or 45.5 inches long. Most women's drivers are 44 or 44.5 inches. However, fairway woods do vary in length as well as the length change from wood to wood. Some companies make their men's 3-woods to be 44 inches, some 43.5, and some 43 (women's fairway woods are usually one inch shorter than the corresponding men's wood). In addition, some companies make their fairway woods to change in length by a half-inch between the 3-, 5- and 7-woods, while others choose an increment of three-quarters of an inch and still others prefer an incremental change of 1 inch. Most men's irons are made to be pretty close to the same length, starting with the 3-iron at 39 or 39.5 inches, and all other irons decreasing in length by a half-inch per iron down through the set. Again, women's irons are usually one inch shorter per club than men's. The "standard" length of clubs has changed over time, growing longer. In the late 1970s to early 1980s, for example, the "standard" length for a men's driver was 43 inches, for 3-woods 42, and 5-woods 41 (with women's woods one inch shorter). Back then, the typical 3-iron for men was 38.5 inches with all other irons decreasing in half-inch increments to the wedges. Why have golf clubs gotten longer over time? Because golf companies believe it helps them sell clubs. Companies have believed that the longer the length of the club, the greater the distance the club can be hit. While this is true with the short irons, as the clubs get longer and lower in loft it is a fact that the percentage of off-center hits increases, as well.
Custom clubmakers will determine the proper club lengths for golfers by first starting with a measurement of the distance from the golfer's wrist to the floor. They compare this measurement to a chart which lists club lengths for each wrist-to-floor dimension. Because golfers vary tremendously in height and arm length - the two important factors for determining a "comfortable length" for the golfer - there is no way that all golfers can play their best with the typical standard lengths offered in standard-made clubs which are simply bought off-the-rack in pro shops or golf retail stores.